The 2013 UAP Citizen Hearing. Pilots and Aviation experts . Day Five, Session One.

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Tom Vernon UAP
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January 30, 2025
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Tier 1First Person EncounterInterview with Experiencer
Experiencer: John Callahan, George Filer, Jim Courant, Richard French, Steve Allen

Analysis Summary

Program Intel Profile
hearing testimonyTopic: whistleblower testimonyEra: 1980s, 1990s, 2000sIntel Value: 8/10

John Callahan

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE1

George Filer

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE1

Jim Courant

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE2

Richard French

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE1

Steve Allen

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE1

The Encounter

The encounter involved multiple aviation experts discussing UAP sightings during a session at the 2013 Citizen Hearing on UAP. John Callahan, a former FAA division chief, described an incident from January 1987 where a Japanese pilot reported a large, unidentified object following his plane for 31 minutes. Callahan reviewed radar data and video recordings of the event. Major George Filer recounted an interception of a UFO over England in 1962, noting its large radar signature and rapid acceleration. Jim Grant shared his own sighting of a bluish-green object over New Mexico in 1995. The testimonies highlighted a culture of silence among pilots regarding UAP experiences, leading to a desire for more openness and acknowledgment of these encounters.

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Program Intelligence Analysis

Executive Summary

The transcript details testimonies from various pilots and military personnel regarding their encounters with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP). Key claims include a 1987 incident involving a UFO chasing a commercial flight and multiple sightings reported by military pilots over the decades. The testimonies emphasize the credibility of the witnesses and the need for further investigation into these phenomena.

Primary Revelation

John Callahan's testimony about a 747 being chased by a UFO for 31 minutes in 1987.

J
John Callahan
witnesspro disclosure
FAA
Former division chief of FAASworn testimonyCareer sacrifice for speaking out

I was involved in investigation of an extraordinary event and was asked not to talk about it.

M
Major George Filer
witnesspro disclosure
U.S. Air ForceMUFON
5,000 flying hoursExperience as a military pilot

We were asked if we were willing to intercept the unidentified craft.

C
Colonel Richard French
witnesspro disclosure
U.S. Air Force
Combat pilot in Korea and VietnamSworn testimony

I arrived to find a large crowd on the wharf and there were divers in the water.

J
Jim Grant
witnesspro disclosure
Airline Pilot
31 years as an airline captainOver 32,000 flight hours

I saw a bluish green object moving very quickly.

S
Steve Allen
witnesspro disclosure
Private Pilot
Multiple witnesses to the eventReported to local authorities

I witnessed a set of four very bright high-intensity lights flying extremely fast.

UFO Investigationsstring (string (optional) to string (optional))confirmed

Managed by: FAA

Investigate unidentified aerial phenomena and ensure air traffic safety

historical eventhighly specific✦ Under Oath
+2 Corroborators

In early January of 1987, air traffic controllers in Alaska reported a UFO chasing a 747 for 31 minutes.

Source: John CallahanEvent: 1987-01-01 | Claimed: 2013-04-30
non human intelligencespecific✦ Under Oath
+1 Corroborators

The UFO observed by the Japanese pilot was described as being as big as four aircraft carriers with yellow and white lights.

Source: John CallahanEvent: 1987-01-01 | Claimed: 2013-04-30
historical eventspecific✦ Under Oath
+1 Corroborators

Major George Filer reported an incident in January 1962 where he was asked to intercept a UFO over Stonehenge.

Source: Major George FilerEvent: 1962-01-01 | Claimed: 2013-04-30
non human intelligencespecific✦ Under Oath
+1 Corroborators

Jim Grant described a sighting over New Mexico in 1995 where a bluish-green oval-shaped object was observed.

Source: Jim GrantEvent: 1995-01-01 | Claimed: 2013-04-30
non human intelligencespecific✦ Under Oath
+1 Corroborators

Lieutenant Colonel Richard French witnessed two UFOs underwater in Newfoundland.

Source: Lieutenant Colonel Richard FrenchEvent: unknown | Claimed: 2013-04-30
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1

John Callahan discusses a UFO chase involving a 747 in Alaska in 1987.

John Callahan · First-Person

Encounter Context

Factual Details
1987-01-01Year: 1987

Alaskan skies

united_states

Connected Encounters (1)
FAA air traffic control facility
1 witness mentionedJohn Callahan
Reported to authorities

Encounter Research Breakdown

Phenomenological Analysis
physical sightingCE1
Low Evidential StrengthScore: 9/21commentary
Detail & Specificity
1/3
Corroboration
1/3
Physical Evidence
1/3
Unpredictability
2/3
Perceptual Clarity
1/3
Timely Reporting
1/3
Witness Credibility
2/3

The transcript primarily discusses the upcoming testimonies of credible witnesses without providing specific first-person accounts or detailed evidence from the speaker. While it mentions notable individuals and their backgrounds, it lacks direct claims or observations from the speaker themselves.

initial report of ufo chaseminutes

The experiencer recounts a call from an air traffic control facility regarding a UFO chase involving a 747 over Alaska.

they had a UFO Chase of 747 across the Alaskan skies for some 31 minutes

visual
5/10

sighting of a UFO chase in the sky

auditory
5/10

communication regarding the UFO event

The analysis found no relevant content for this section.

Luminositynot stated
Soundnot stated
Five Observables (0/5)
positive lift low observability hypersonic velocity trans medium travel instantaneous acceleration

The experiencer describes a UFO chase involving a 747 but does not provide specific details about the craft.

What makes this encounter unique

The encounter is unique due to the involvement of air traffic control and the official investigation of a significant UFO event.

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2

George Filer recounts an interception of a UFO over Stonehenge in 1962.

George Filer · First-Person

Encounter Context

Factual Details

FAA tech center

2 witnesses mentionedAdmiral Inan
Reported to authorities

Encounter Research Breakdown

Phenomenological Analysis
close encounterCE11 entityunknown
Moderate Evidential StrengthScore: 17/21first person
Detail & Specificity
3/3
Corroboration
2/3
Physical Evidence
1/3
Unpredictability
3/3
Perceptual Clarity
3/3
Timely Reporting
2/3
Witness Credibility
3/3

The speaker provides a detailed account of their experience with UAP-related radar data and interactions with FAA personnel. While the narrative includes specific observations and actions taken, the lack of corroboration and the nature of the witness's role limit the overall evidential strength.

initial encounter with uapunknown

The experiencer describes a situation involving radar communication and a UAP following a commercial flight.

the Japanese pilot says there's no markings it's a it's as big as four aircraft carriers

post-encounter briefingminutes

After the encounter, the experiencer briefs an FAA administrator about the incident and shows video evidence.

he wanted to know if uh that video I took would play on his TV

visualextraordinary
8/10

Witnessed a large UAP with lights during the flight.

auditory
6/10

Heard communications between the pilot and air traffic control.

?
unknown(single)
70%
Demeanornot statedCommunicationnoneInteractionobservation
Sizeas big as four aircraft carriers
Coloryellow and white lights around the center
Luminositynot stated
Soundnot stated
Movementfollowing
Five Observables (0/5)
positive lift low observability hypersonic velocity trans medium travel instantaneous acceleration

The UAP was described as large with lights, following a commercial aircraft during its flight.

What makes this encounter unique

This encounter is unique due to the detailed radar communication and the direct involvement of air traffic control with a UAP.

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3

Jim Courant describes a sighting over New Mexico in 1995.

Jim Courant · First-Person

Encounter Context

Factual Details
1962-01-01Year: 1962

near Stonehenge

united_kingdom

North Sea
Connected Encounters (1)
RAF Scalthorpe
Military Witness
Branchair force
RankMajor
Base42nd Air Refueling Squadron
Dutyrefueling fighter aircraft
22 witnesses mentioned
Reported to authorities

Encounter Research Breakdown

Phenomenological Analysis
close encounterCE21 entityunknown
High Evidential StrengthScore: 18/21first person
Detail & Specificity
3/3
Corroboration
3/3
Physical Evidence
1/3
Unpredictability
3/3
Perceptual Clarity
3/3
Timely Reporting
2/3
Witness Credibility
3/3

The speaker provides a detailed first-person account of a UAP encounter while serving as a military pilot, including specific radar data and interactions with military and intelligence personnel. The credibility is bolstered by the speaker's military background and the presence of multiple witnesses during the encounter.

Initial Contact with Authoritiesunknown

The experiencer receives a call from a CIA agent regarding a UFO incident over Alaska, leading to a briefing setup.

I got a call from some guy said he was at the CIA he wanted to talk about a UFO

intercepting the ufounknown

The experiencer, as part of a military operation, prepares to intercept an unidentified craft over Stonehenge.

we quickly agreed to chase their UFO

observing the ufounknown

The experiencer describes the radar return of the UFO and its significant size compared to known structures.

it was about equal to the Brooklyn Bridge

ufo's rapid departureunknown

The UFO accelerates rapidly and disappears from sight, leaving the experiencer and crew astonished.

the UFO accelerated in a launch similar to a space shuttle taking off

visualextraordinary
8/10

Dim lights of the UFO brightening suddenly

?
unknown(single)
70%
Demeanornot statedCommunicationnot statedInteractionobservation
Sizeequal to the brooklyn bridge
Colordim lights
Luminositynot stated
Soundnot stated
Movementaccelerating
Five Observables (2/5)
positive lift low observability hypersonic velocity trans medium travel instantaneous acceleration

The craft was detected on radar as an exceptionally large return, with dim lights that brightened before it accelerated rapidly.

What makes this encounter unique

The encounter involved a military operation with radar data collection, leading to a significant observation of a UFO's behavior and characteristics.

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4

Richard French shares experiences of seeing UFOs during military service.

Richard French · First-Person

Encounter Context

Factual Details
1 witness mentionedJim Grant

Encounter Research Breakdown

Phenomenological Analysis
close encounterCE11 entityhumanoid
Moderate Evidential StrengthScore: 15/21first person
Detail & Specificity
2/3
Corroboration
2/3
Physical Evidence
1/3
Unpredictability
3/3
Perceptual Clarity
2/3
Timely Reporting
2/3
Witness Credibility
3/3

The speaker presents a personal account with some credible context as a long-time pilot, but the details of the UAP encounters are somewhat vague and lack corroboration from independent sources. While there are references to other witnesses and historical context, the specifics of the encounters are not thoroughly detailed.

initial interest and encounterunknown

The speaker recounts their initial interest in UFOs and mentions a significant encounter with Prince Philip regarding UFO sightings.

I asked why he president Prince Philip was personally interested in UFOs and he said that um his uh Uncle the Earl mbon had seen the UFOs close up in the in the Navy

discussion with prince philipunknown

The speaker discusses their conversation with Prince Philip about UFOs and the interest of air crews in these phenomena.

he indicated that he regularly interviewed the air Crews that were Chasing UFOs either he or his Aid would uh interview them

reflections on ufosunknown

The speaker reflects on the historical significance of UFO sightings and their impact on human culture.

I think they've been here for thousands of years and our ancestors made structures on the ground to remind us that they had actually been here

visualextraordinary
7/10

Descriptions of various UFO shapes and structures

humanoid(single)
80%
Demeanornot statedCommunicationverbalInteractionobservation

Message: Interest in UFOs and personal experiences

he indicated that he regularly interviewed the air Crews that were Chasing UFOs

Shapedisc
Luminositynot stated
Soundnot stated
Five Observables (0/5)
positive lift low observability hypersonic velocity trans medium travel instantaneous acceleration

Descriptions of various UFO shapes including disc-shaped craft and a cigar-shaped craft.

What makes this encounter unique

The encounter includes a notable discussion with Prince Philip about UFOs, highlighting historical connections and personal experiences.

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5

Steve Allen describes a significant UFO sighting in Stephenville, Texas in 2008.

Steve Allen · First-Person

Encounter Context

Factual Details
1995-01-01duskYear: 1995

over New Mexico

Albuquerque, New Mexico, united_states

rural
2 witnesses mentionedfirst officer
Reported to authorities

Encounter Research Breakdown

Phenomenological Analysis
physical sightingCE1
Moderate Evidential StrengthScore: 16/21first person
Detail & Specificity
2/3
Corroboration
2/3
Physical Evidence
1/3
Unpredictability
3/3
Perceptual Clarity
3/3
Timely Reporting
2/3
Witness Credibility
3/3

The speaker provides a detailed account of their own UAP sighting as well as anecdotal evidence from other pilots, enhancing the credibility of the claims. However, the lack of corroboration and specific verifiable details limits the overall evidential strength.

initial sightingminutes

The experiencer recounts a sighting of a bluish-green oval-shaped object while flying over New Mexico in 1995.

I look off the left and I thought the air traffic controllers had Mis informed us about any traffic nearby this it looked a lot closer than it was

post-sighting reflectionminutes

After landing, the first officer was reluctant to discuss the sighting, highlighting the fear of ridicule among pilots.

He didn't want to talk about it didn't want to report it and he never flew with me again

visualextraordinary
8/10

Observed a bluish-green oval-shaped object in the sky

The analysis found no relevant content for this section.

Sizelarger than an aircraft carrier
Colorbluish green
Luminositynot stated
Soundnot stated
Movementfast
Five Observables (4/5)
positive lift low observability hypersonic velocity trans medium travel instantaneous acceleration

The experiencer observed a large bluish-green oval-shaped craft moving quickly in the sky.

What makes this encounter unique

The encounter highlights the fear and reluctance of pilots to report UAP sightings due to potential ridicule, emphasizing a broader issue within the aviation community.

✦ AI-extracted phenomenological analysis — verify against source testimony

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Analysis Summary

Program Intel Profile
hearing testimonyTopic: whistleblower testimonyEra: 1980s, 1990s, 2000sIntel Value: 8/10
1

John Callahan

First-Person

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE1
2

George Filer

First-Person

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE1
3

Jim Courant

First-Person

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE2
4

Richard French

First-Person

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE1
5

Steve Allen

First-Person

Contact Experience Triad

Hynek: CE1